These pants rock - I just bought them today at the shop in hunter mountain, and man I was seriously impressed. They are seriously well made- I really felt properly protected out on the mountain for the first time. I mean they're thick enough to prevent the cold from transfering to your body when you're sitting or kneeling in the snow, and a few times when I fell and slid on ice for quite a while, the pants kind of let me glide on the ice without the pants getting out of place at all or bunched up or anything of that sort. And they really did keep me entirely dry - I mean there were no little areas where snow was allowed to collect and melt. I really think these pants are seriously thought out better and made better and made of better components than any of the other snowboarding pants I've seen out there. Buy em.